INTERVIEW 20 / Canadian Government Executive // WINTER 2025 The federal public service in Canada is facing rapid changes and unprecedented pressures, from the lingering organizational effects of COVID-19 pandemic to grappling with economic, social and global uncertainties. In this conversation that appeared originally on Canadian Government Executive radio and hosted by publisher J. Richard Jones we hear from Graham Flack, former Secretary to the Treasury Board, in discussion with CGE’s Lori Turnbull and David McLaughlin. They explore everything from program design and system modernizations to what political transitions can mean for public servants on the ground. JONES: Welcome back to another episode of CGE Radio. I’m your host, John Richard Jones. Today we’re going to talk about uncertainty, medium-term planning and much more. Our first guest is Graham Flack, who was recently a senior deputy minister in the federal public service, ending his term as Secretary to the Treasury Board. We also have our two hosts: Lori Turnbull, editor-in-chief of Canadian Government Executive, and David McLaughlin, executive editor of CGE Media. First, Graham, everyone, welcome to the show. FLACK: Thanks everyone. Delighted to be here. NAVIGATING UNCERTAINTY: A Conversation with Graham Flack on Public Service Resilience. Graham Flack is a former senior official in the federal government, serving as Secretary to the Treasury Board and Deputy Minister of Employment and Social Development.
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