The federal public service’s return-to-office policy has entered a new phase, with employees now expected to work in the office four days a week. But what does the move mean for productivity, workplace culture, recruitment and morale?

In this episode of GovGurus, hosts Lori Turnbull and J. Richard Jones examine one of the most debated issues facing Canada’s public service. They discuss whether the return-to-office mandate is supported by evidence, how it affects employee engagement and retention, and what it signals about the evolving relationship between government employers and public servants. They also consider the broader challenge of balancing flexibility with collaboration as technology continues to reshape how work gets done.

The conversation then shifts to Canada’s landmark submarine procurement decision. Turnbull and Jones explore why the government selected Germany’s TKMS over South Korea’s Hanwha, and whether the decision reflects industrial capability, geopolitical strategy, or both. They discuss how the procurement aligns with Prime Minister Mark Carney’s vision of closer European and NATO integration, while considering the long-term economic and industrial implications for Canada.

Whether you’re interested in public sector leadership, defence procurement or the future of work, this episode offers thoughtful analysis of two major policy decisions shaping Canada’s future.